education, which is already underway. go long on community colleges. >> yes. >> developing a skill set. >> yes. we need to support that. but one thing -- >> i have to challenge -- >> medicare and medicaid together. medicare and medicaid together. within 10 years, it devours every cent. >> there's a progressive argument for dealing with that issue. >> which is what? when are we going to hear it? >> well, i want to challenge you and you as well, david, on this point. >> challenge the president, david. >> no, you and you. the premise that the president has not been venturesome in this area, has not been willing to be forward leaning, is not true. the president talked about changes in social security. he's talked about changes in -- committed himself to cuts in medicare. what he hasn't done is talked about turning it into a voucher program because that's not shifting the cost onto the backs of seniors -- >> when we talk about leadership,s se as seen from th outside it seems like a lot of this administration is focussed on tri